A Piece of Work

I have never seen her show any emotion. Even when displeased, or angered, she maintains the ice queen attitude. Icecold, sarcastic, disdainful. She has never cried, never shown any compassion to anyone, except when it benefits her. Still people consider her a friend. Some of them say things like she’s kind and warm and loving and caring…

Are we talking about the same woman? This woman who told to a childless man that he shouldn’t say anything about mothers because his wife is barren and can’t have children. The truth is that the wife wasn’t the infertile part of the marriage, and the wife had cried for her longing for a child in a group this woman was a member of… The Ice Queen was very much aware of how much her comment would hurt. Being childless because of reasons you can do nothing about is a very sad and painful situation and I cannot think of many things more cruel than to mock that.

This woman also had a habit of derailing discussions by mocking peoples’ screen names. She and a friend of hers responded to any comment by a woman called Sage by saying something about onions and sauce… I fail to see the kindness and goodness of heart of that person.

She probably keeps her nest clean. And bashes anything that could be understood as critique into silence, by twisting and elaborating peoples’ words until they get a meaning there never was in the beginning - telling a person that he’s harassing her, because he posts in the same groups as she does. Telling a woman she’s attacking her, because she asks the thread to calm down.

She has never defended anyone unless that comes as a “bonus” of her defending herself, and defend herself she does. She will invent a case of a stick just to be able to bash people she dislikes. She will pick people’s arguments to pieces that never existed before, in an effective, cold and intellectual manner… obviously excited by the fact that she is very skilled in Schopenhaueric dialectic - dialectic with no interest of truth, honesty, fairness or kindness, but with only one goal - to win. She says she doesn’t care if she wins, but she does. She won’t give up until she does, and if nothing else works, she will claim the victory and abandon the argument - just as Schopenhauer adviced. The apathetic and unattached manner and the greedy hunger reminds me of a Koontzian monster… She focuses those reptile eyes on her target and will start chewing and won’t stop until she has won…

She is intelligent, very intelligent, but totally void of any feelings. I find her fascinating, and even more fascinating I find the fact that people don’t see the Ice Queen.

Her intelligence seems to be her only raison d’être… as if she doesn’t think there is anything more in her worth something. She comes from a dysfunctional family, so perhaps she believes there is nothing more worth anything in her. I think the most excited I have ever seen her, some sincere form of emotion, was when a pompous ass came into one of the groups and said that “he’s so lonely, because he’s so intelligent and everyone else is so much below him that he can’t discuss with anyone”. She started to show that she indeed is very intelligent and decided to trash a poor muddle-headed woman who obviously was no match - she actually had stated that she isn’t very intelligent. This Ice Queen thought it was evidence of her shining intellect to trash an unarmed woman…

I think the nicest thing she has ever said to me was that she thinks I’m pretty. She said this in a very small company, I think there were four or five of us there, and as a respond to my inquiry on why none of them did anything to stop a group from trashing me and my looks. I was pre-emptively blocked from the group, so I could not protest. The group voted me unanimously the ugliest woman in Care2, and this woman who claims she thinks I’m not ugly said nothing. This same woman claims to stand for the weak and for the truth >:-> Do you believe her?

What would you call this?

“I love a good debate and a good argument, and I do not (nor should you) take things personally. “

“I oppose censorship in all forms. The first steps of any fascist regime are to limit access to knowledge and disarm the citizenry. I may hate what you have to say, but honor your right to say it.”

“I DETEST Political Correctness and think people need to stop taking themselves so seriously and get thicker skins. Get over yourself already, because I have. Learn to laugh at yourself, I have. Myself AND you. Life is WAY too short to spend so much time taking yourself so seriously.”

“I love a good argument and will often take an opposing stance just for the debate. It is how we grew up and things often got heated around our dinner table. Say and believe anything you like, just be prepared to defend it!”

“while I try not to hate anyone on this earth and pray in my heart to find forgiveness, I detest you both.  Truly, deeply and from the bottom of my heart.  And while one day I may find it in my heart to forgive the personal attacks you and Henric have levied against me and others in the past for having the audacity to disagree with you, I will never forget, never welcome either of you anywhere, nor see your presence anywhere as any form of good or positive thing.

While I do not desire to drive anyone away, there are times that within the body a cancer must be removed, a gangrenous toe cut off, and someone has to say “oh my gods, look at the size of that carbuncle”.  Nor will I welcome back with open arms someone who has done NOTHING but spread hate, discord and pure, simple flat out meanness.  You get what you give.  Henric and Ket give no quarter, they shall receive none from me.  They have launched too much nastiness in my direction for me to ever allow a “live and let live” mentality.  Not without a recognition of their piss poor behavior and an apology.”

All said by the same person… Do you spot any contradiction in the first quotes and the last one? Obviously this person’s demand of freedom of speech, detest to political correctness, love of good fight, sense of humor and not taking things seriously, all vanished like a fart in Sahara, when he got some real opposition…

I’m bad, I’m bad, come on, you know it… [evil, dirty cackle]

Sarcasm and Irony - this moron doesn’t have a clue…

I can understand why a Son Of (a) B*** would call itself Horrible (Horribilis), but not why a “Silly Old Bear” would call itself Horrible, or why anyone having to do with human rights would do so.

I can understand why this guy doesn’t get it. He takes himself far too serious. He would never use people’s epithets of him against them. He can’t see the irony in turning something bad into something funny.

SoB stands for a nickname I started using a while back - Silly Old Bear - (picked from Winnie the Pooh), but the initials SoB can also mean son of a bitch, and I started using that nickname exactly because of that - the double meaning, the word-play. Just as I have in the past used particularly nasty names people have called me as screen names - there have been quite a few “Lord ShadowButt”, “Shallowbear”, “Bogeybear” they all came out of extremely nasty flame wars on Care2, and in true European and Danish Tradition I turned their attempts to shame me into a badge of honor.

But this guy, if it indeed is a guy, some, me included are pretty certain that it’s in fact a woman, who over the years have been part of turning Care2 into a hell-hole of abuse.

Designer snobs

I was ranting a bit about how some people think they are “something” and go and patent techniques.

Now I’m going to rant about certain knit designers… They obviously don’t get paid enough. I’m sure that’s true, but I look at this matter from the customer’s point of view.

Patterns are expensive. The more the designer gets paid, the more the patterns will cost, and as they cost too much already, the designers can’t get paid more. If they would get paid more, no-one would be able to buy the designs, and then the designs wouldn’t be needed and the designers wouldn’t get paid one singed red wooden half-a-penny for their work.  Nevertheless, the designers complain and demand to get more paid and better contracts and the magazines will comply and pay to get the designs without which they wouldn’t exist, and it is WE who will pay the expenses. Do you wonder why I don’t like these snotty designer snobs?

Some people can’t see this - probably because they aren’t poor and have no problems in paying day’s food for a pattern. There’s one writer of knitting books who support these designers and their demand for more money, and at the same time they yap at the knitting industry trying to survive and condemn THEIR efforts to get more money… It’s wrong of knitting industry to tell the yarn shops how to get more stuff sold. Never mind that the yarn shops will get their living from things they sell, provisions and profits and so on… it’s probably indecent that such non-creative people like people who sell other people’s stuff and mass-producers of stuff try to earn their living and hopefully get some extra as well… All the money should go to creative people, people who design and write books. I assume that none of these creative posh people have given one thought to that it is we, the people stupid enough to buy the patterns and books, who will pay the party. The sellers and manufacturers will always exist, because they don’t care WHAT they are selling and manufacturing. If one business goes bankrupt, there’s several others to fill the void. And they HAVE to take what they must to survive and make profit.

I wish someone told them about copyleft :-> BTW, isn’t it interesting that Naomi Klein gets rich by writing books about how awful it is for people to try to get rich?

Another Prejudiced Moron

SOB and Ket Seem Tolerant enough as Long as People Don’t Fight with them over Thier Ethnic Religious Issues (Most People are that way About Defending Thier Religious and Ethnic Roots).!

This guys isn’t just clueless - he is prejudiced and clueless - and he can’t spell. The context of this was a response to the fact that a co-host was removed because he decided to attack an already moderated member with implications and speculations about that member’s mental state/drug or alcohol addiction. Something that is absolutely unacceptable coming from a co-host of a Group with more than 66.000 members.

I.e it had absolutely nothing to do with any ethnic religious issues. But this moronic excrement decides that because it is SOB and Ket who done the deed, it must be because of religious ethnic issues, as SOB is Jewish and Ket is married to a Jew and anything either of them do is because SOB is Jewish, and Ket is married to him (a pure antisemitic assumption). The fact that neither of us ever fight of religious or ethnic issues with anyone, as religious belief is a personal matter and one hardly can do anything about one’s ancestral origins, fighting about it is idiotic - that little fact, has completely eluded this brain deficient person.

Of course, the only reason I ever do anything is because I am Jewish, and the only reason Ket ever does anything is because she is married to me, who is Jewish. Being Jewish is dangerous. It eats your brain and replaces it with gefilte fish and chopped liver, and will suck up the will and ability to think for themselves from anyone within 2 yards! Naturally the former co-host was sacked because I am Jewish, what other reason could there possibly be?

But it is nice to have flushed another Antisemite out of the woodworks.

Talking about Sarah’s faults, not allowed….

It all started with this Blog Entry - Rosh HaShana - Day One - Family Dysfunction I posted this to a moderated Group where all posts are reviewed by the Hosts are either approved or declined. It was declined, which was all fine by me - we cannot all like the same things, right. However, I had posted another similar post earlier, which was accepted by the same Host; Rosh HaShana - The Akedah - More Family Dysfunction - it seemed a bit hypocritical to me, especially in view of the REASON the Host gave to why she had declined my later post.

“I respect your right to free speech and free choice, hut I dont want to offend anyone. I dont necessarily agree with all you wrote, and know that it is offensive to more orthodox/ chariedi Jews. Lets try to keep things NON controversial, ok? Shana Tova, and gmar chatima tova”

“To which I replied - through a post - ” Why did you approve the initial post here, but declined the sequel both are “controversial”, both would not fit an Orthodox/Charedi point of view. If you decline one you have, in all fairness to decline the other two - if nothing else for the fact that they are “a pair”.

Why do you cater to an Orthodox Charedi point of view? Is this an Orthodox Charedi Group? - if so, why are you not covering your head/hair in your avatar? Isn’t that offensive to the Orthodox/Charedi? “

 

 

“FIRST< it is unapprpriate for you to make this “personal”, questioning my personal observance IN PUBLIC.. u can ask me privately, but In Torah we do NOT believe in embarassing others in public, nor do we point fingers and say Lashon Hara [evil tongue against fellow jews IN PUBLIC], or Motzei Shem Ra [lies abotu others, to make a bad name] its just not our way. I told u, its not whether i agree or not, and no its not only for orthodox, but it is NOT ok to talk BAD About my fellow Jew, WHETHER HE IS BAD OR NOT… this is NOT that forum. MY GOAL is to bring Jews and ALL humans TOGETHER, not to CONTINUE to DIVIDE THEM. get it? if you point out criticism and flaws of the forefathers, u do not INCREASE respect, u increase ENMITY. ok? there are places to do that, but not in my organization. i want LOVE and GOOD feelings, the GOOD side of ALL PEOPLE>>. Jew and non jew alike! ok? hope i made myself clear. and i am happy to have u contintue contributing POSITIVE sentiments, things to make us think, grow and feel CLOSER to others, not BAD or NEgative. ok? thanks”

“Who’s taking things in public? - The Group is moderated, you are the only Host - so you would be the only one to read my post - did I expect you to publish my post? No. So, no I have not embarrassed you in public. And yes, since you were the one bringing up the Orthodox/Charedi as a reason why my post would be offensive, then I think my question about what they might feel about your avatar is justified.

Who’s lying? I am not. The flaws and the faults of the Forefathers/Foremothers are there for everyone to see. As I said, from Avraham to Yosef and from Sarah to Dinah. It needs addressing, and it needs addressing by Jews. Especially by Jews who, like me were themselves raised in highly dysfunctional families. I suppose this interpretation of what is lashon hara is the reason why so many Jews suffer in silence in families of sexual, spiritual, emotional and physical abuse, or why not more are being done for the agunot in terms of community pressure and public acknowledgement.
If we are to read and expound on Torah in a manner that make our forefathers into larger than life icons who never did anything untoward, no wonder the Goyim think we believe we are better than they are! How’s that for truth if we make them out to be saints in public and then in private look at their flaws and either snicker at them or find hope and strength in the fact that they were just as human and as f-d up as we - which was my point with my drash on Sarah?
The majority of Orthodox/Charedi Jewry don’t consider anyone but their closest relative Jewish. Like you said - Chabad only collect for their own. While your ambition is admirable, and I agree with you that there really shouldn’t be any division, I don’t think it’s ever going to happen.
You don’t have to worry, I am leaving the group, and I ask you to delete any posts I have made to it - wouldn’t want to upset the Charedi (who in my mind are the ones creating the division in Jewry, by demanding that we all become Charedi and claiming that everyone not Charedi is not Jewish. No better than Xian Fundamentalists in my opinion, in that regard. But that’s just my opinion.
Be at peace in the Holy Days and may your sealing be good.”

“Don’t tell the truth, don’t share your opinion about people - or should we call them Main Characters in Torah….because then you are lying, using evil speak and embarrassing them in public…”

I agree that we should avoid embarrassing living people in public, especially if there is no need, if the issue can be solved some other way - but that one is not allowed to expound on Torah in a manner that shows that indeed the Forefathers and Foremothers were human being just like you and me, with flaws, faults, character defects and dysfunctions, that is simply ridiculous.

People in Torah were some times up shit creek with themselves. That needs to be said, or what use is it to anyone to try and emulate their good sides, if we cannot identify with them on a deeper level, that of shame, fear, suffering and anger?

None whatsoever.

Spiritual Blackmail - did she really think it would work?

If u are willing, hey, its a mitzva, and a GOOD time of the year to get GOOD will from hashem!

This Jewish woman contacted me, asked me to be friends. I was happy when I saw it because I like having Jewish friends, so I accepted the Friends Request. Next I find a message in my NM Box in which she inquires into my ability to help out with a new, very large, Web Site.

I told her what resources I have in my first reply to her - that I can’t swear to commit to very much, that my contact with the Jewish Community where I live is extremely limited and that my Judaica education is rather scarce. I then, in a reply to a second NM she sent me (by then I had realized that she asked for a Friends Connection just so she could write more than 250 characters to me), told her that basically I am already up to my ears in work for Jews on-line, in Groups, Forums and on a personal level.

She replies to that by more or less reducing me to a mere errand boy - wanting me to seek out people in the Community, asking them for funds, stories and what not. Obviously she didn’t read the part where I told her that I am homebound. But, no she has no use for what I can do or what I do have to give - which by her statement isn’t a problem. And then she ends her last NM with the words I quoted above.

I wasn’t raised Jewish, so I do not have the “Jewish Guilt”! I don’t respond well to spiritual blackmail - I don’t believe I need to get on the Good side with G-d, and if I did, I definitely don’t believe that I can do so by buying G-d through actions, money, or “mitzvas”! The only thing G-d is interested in from any Jew this time of year is a contrite heart and words asking for forgiveness. Besides, I am putting in plenty of Mitzvas as it is - hosting three Jewish Groups, writing two Jewish Blogs, and running a Jewish Forum in which among other things is a Group for Jews and Torah Observant Gentiles in 12 Step Recovery. I do what I can - I can’t help that nothing of that is in any way helpful to her!

I might have been inclined to put a link to her Web Site on my Blogs, in my Groups and in my Forums, but you know, using a trick I have seen used too many times by Xians (which was one reason I left Xianity), instead of drawing me in, pushed me away, and made me very disinclined to help.

Heck, I won’t even post to her group anymore!

The “Zionists” is behind everything in this guy’s mind…

S(o)B
Whose truth is the more likely to be the real truth? The truth peddled by by the corporate/military/industrial/intelligence- controlled mass media or those who expose the lies and report on the true human cost of their warmongering, imperialist policies?

Whose interest is being served by sanitizing/censoring the news coverage of the illegal wars/conflicts/genocides- the publics, the victims of the atrocities, or the above mentioned corporate/military/industrial/intelligence complex?

‘To what end?’

Who has most to lose from the ‘real’ truth being told? If every innocent victim of Israeli/US/UK cluster bombs, DU contamination, Agent Orange, US/Israeli-trained death squads in Guatamala, US armed Indonesian Death Squads, (not forgetting East Timor ), US sponsored Cuban Terrorists, US/Israeli trained SAVAK torturers, Reagans favorite mass murderers the Contras ,US carpet bombing of civilians in Cambodia and Laos etc , etc (the list goes on and on and on, apologies to the many I’ve missed out) were shown every day on our TV screens in full, horiffic detail with our leaders’ direct involvement spelled out to us? Has anything changed in the last 30 yrs or so? Have the people responsible for the above mentioned atrocities been held accountable for their actions? On the contrary, they’re still there peddling their wars and causing misery to millions of people while lining their (and their buddies) pockets. Afghanistan, Iraq, Chechnya, War on ‘Terror’, War on Drugs ….. Same victims , same benificiaries each and every time. Democratic or Republican, Conservative or Labour, Kadima or Likud, it doesn’t really matter, cos whilst there’s profit to be made from selling war , we’ll always have war .

The above is a prelude to this little gem, spouted by one of the Radical Far Leftists that apparently blames Israel and Zionists for anything that goes wrong in the world:

It’s what the neo cons/ zionists have promised us and I’m sure they’ll do their best to deliver.

I used to have some sort of respect for this opponent, but after that last “delivery” in yellow, I decided that he simply isn’t worth my respect.

Claiming that Israel (the Zionists) is responsible for the Contras, the carpet bombings in Cambodia, Indonesian Death Squads, Agent Orange, the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, is simply ridiculous, because it’s not even close to the truth from any point of view, other than that of a blatant hatred for Israel. This man has no honor, no honesty and no sense of justice, he just wants to hate.

I responded to him in the discussion:

“Truth”, from wherever it is derived is relative, and is always dependent on two things: The sender and the receiver - who are both locked down by their own pre-conceived notions, prejudice, assumptions and personal inclinations.

This is true about any kind of conflict. I learned this during a 5 hour conversation with a Palestinian a few years ago. He had his interpretation of history, I had mine - and while one is exactly as valid as the other, as truths, they are not accurate from an objective point of view. The “truth” of any matter where there are conflicting “items” 10 times of 10 lie somewhere in between the two.

So in between “corporate/ military/ industrial/ intelligence- controlled mass media” and “those who expose the lies and report on the true human cost of their warmongering, imperialist policies?” lies the truth, not with either side.

Both “corporate/ military/ industrial/ intelligence- controlled mass media” and “those who expose the lies and report on the true human cost of their warmongering, imperialist policies?” are in turn governed by MONEY and POLITICS. To think otherwise is naive, and in turn result in a polarization that only fuel the conflict both sides claim to want to stop.

Unless we stop the blame game and start to speak honestly about the wrongs done on both sides, nothing is going to change. Attack-like speeches about how “we have the truth” and “you are liars” only lead to defensive postures and serve nothing but evil. It will not lead us to a peaceful, just and honest co-operation, because while we are defensive (or offensive) in our approach to “the other” - we cannot hear “the other”.

I would have hoped that my willingness to honestly and strongly criticize Israel from a point of view of the UDHR, would have somehow inspired you to follow suit and honestly and strongly criticize Palestine from the same point of view, so that a dialog could have been possible, but I see from your relentless attacks (demure and subtle) and refusal to criticize Palestine in a like manner that such hope is futile.

Post what you want in this thread and other “Israel Palestine” threads, but I am done discussing this with you, as it is quite clear that you have no interest in being honest, honorable or just in your approach to the issue.

Nothing will be gained from engaging in this kind of mudslinging, hatred and dishonesty, so I will leave the discussions with this individual.

It’s not just Russian Neo-Nazis that are illiterate

 

Who wrote this, Dov (from your share)?

<< … but those little scumbags can slide in, uncircumcised, uneducated and illiterate simply because they have a drop of Jewish blood in their veins.>>

I hope you realize that this sort of description is highly frowned upon here and in Care2 in general (or most places in the world, for that matter). To whom is this share referring? And what difference does it make whether someone is circumcised or not? What is the point you are trying to make with this post?

If this is some sort of diatribe against a specific ethnic group, I’m afraid it will have to be deleted, as it is not very much different than the anti-semitism that you purport to oppose.

Please explain.

The guy quoted above is referring to this Blog entry: Blog: “This isn’t enough; we have to finish you off.” - which is posted in two different places - in Care2, which is the link I just gave, and here: “This isn’t enough; we have to finish you off.”.

It is clear from the Blog entry, in both places, who are the “uncircumcised, uneducated and illiterate scumbags” - the neonazis who happens to have a Jewish ancestor, and who because of this ancestor can enter Israel and practice their antisemitism and neonazism under the Law of Return. But this guy is just as illiterate and prejudiced as they are, because he doesn’t read the entire Blog. He reads the summary at the beginning, looks to the right to see who wrote it and decides that what I am saying “it is not very much different than the anti-semitism that you purport to oppose.” That is where he stops thinking. No, that’s not correct - he makes sure his audience is aware that I am Jewish, because he uses my Hebrew Name when he addresses me, instead of the name that appears beside the post in his group, before he takes leave of his literacy, common sense and fair mindedness. Then he makes a by-line for the one word that (apart from being one he can spell), in his prejudiced mind, will mark my post as “racist” - uncircumcised - oy vey, I am attacking uncircumcised people, bad, bad Dov, bad, bad Jew,discriminating against poor uncircumcised people!! How horrible. “Let’s trash him! Let’s paint the devil on the wall, and make sure he has a big yellow Star of David on his chest, so all can see just how horrible the Jew is!”

The basic problem with this guy is that he, very much guided by his own agenda and prejudice, removes the “uncircumcised, uneducated and illiterate scumbags” from their textual context, in order to make a personal attack on me based on the fact that I am Jewish. Also note how he makes being “uncircumcised, uneducated and illiterate” into an ethnic matter! Since when is education, having a foreskin and the ability to read a matter of ethnicity? No, this guy is so far up shit creek that you’d need a submersible to locate him.

Racism finally Abolished

It is why a ‘Jewish’ state will ultimately fail.A nation built on religion, blood line, or some other defining difference cannot survive.

So, B C

the US will eventually fall - because the IDENTITY “American”, a cultural, ethnic and actually, according to some, religious is what the US is built on?

Any Nation is built on common culture, common ancestry of some sort, and in many cases common religious values.

That is what defines “nationality”.

Webster:

1. a: people having a common origin, tradition, and language and capable of forming or actually constituting a nation-state
2. b : an ethnic group constituting one element of a larger unit.

Dictionary.com:

1. The status of belonging to a particular nation by origin, birth, or naturalization.
2. A people having common origins or traditions and often constituting a nation.

It’s good to here that the US will cease to exist, since it is nothing but bad news to the world, why don’t we just drive all the Americans into the Atlantic and the Pacific Oceans. It is also nice to see that it is now ok to go after entire peoples based on their ethnic commonality, be that a religious commonality, a cultural commonality, ethnic commonality or a mix of all those.

You have solved the problem with racism - it doesn’t exist. Nice. I am sure a whole bunch of people will be out on the streets celebrating when they see that you have finally abolished racism.

Antisemitism for dummies

antisemitism for dummies

Indeed… a lengthy and idiotic blog entry, perfect for antisemites hiding behind Pro-Palestinianism and anti-Zionism to be used to whitewash their antisemitism…

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Most of the things I agree with, but some of the things… the so-called New Testament IS antisemitic. The people who wrote it needed it to be antisemitic. I could discuss that further, but I’m sure people who doesn’t understand that, wouldn’t understand even after it has been explained to them several times.

Criticism of Israel is not antisemitic. Of course it isn’t. Millions of people have been saying that time after time after time, but some antisemites just won’t get it. But if you criticize Israel because it’s Jewish, then it’s antisemitic.

Denial of Israel’s right to exist is not antisemitic. Not even denying the existence of Israel is antisemitic. It’s just stupid.

Some anti-Zionists ARE antisemites. Just because someone is anti-Zionist doesn’t mean the person cannot be antisemite. I know a lot of people who are anti-Zionists, because they can’t express their antisemitism in any other way.

Criticism of Zionism is not antisemitic, unless you criticize Zionism as JEWISH ideology. Do you see the difference?

Criticism of the state of Israel is not antisemitic, unless you criticize it because it’s Jewish.

Criticism of the Israel lobby or the Zionist lobby or the Jewish lobby - or claiming that they exist - is not antisemitic - unless - again - you “criticize” them for being Jewish. Or mixing them heywild, because “they are all Jews anyway, so what’s the difference?” - That’s antisemitic.

Also, one needs to make a clear difference of criticism and bashing, criticism and spreading of misconception and malicious prejudices, like the very widely spread idea of Jews being rich and controlling the world economy. Now, THAT IS antisemitic.

Support of Palestinian people is not antisemitic. Support of Israeli people is not Zionist.

Criticising Israel for using excessive power in their wars is not antisemitic.

The so-called New Testament is on the other hand antisemitic, and one just needs to read it and have a little knowledge of the religional and regional politics of the first century to know it. So is “Passion of the Christ” AND Mel Gibson.
[And Passion of the Christ is not a cinematographic masterpiece. It's an orgy of violence... (just talk about excessive LOL), the story is told very irrationally, use of Aramean and Latin was a wrong choice, because the people 2000 years ago spoke both languages fluently, and the people in the movie speak like they are reciting something they learned by heart... oops, that's exactly what they are doing! Cinematographic masterpiece, my a$$ LOL]

Petitions to call upon American universities to divest in Israel - not antisemitic - neither are any other boycotts, embargoes etc. - unless Israel alone is chose as object, and other countries, like Sudan, China etc. are allowed to do things worse than Israel ever… and even then it is “just” bigoted >:->

“anti-globalisation rallies at which criticisms of Israel are expressed” - yeah… as we all know Israel is the top country of globalisation >:->
Now again, criticism of Israel in rallies and demonstrations that have nothing to do with Israel is not necessarily antisemitic. It’s all about why people do it and how they “criticize”. Posters like “Jews killed Jesus”, “Palestinian children’s meat packed in Israel” etc. are very inappropriate and definitely NOT “criticizing” Israel.

To inquire whether a product is of Israeli manufacture and if it is, refuse to buy it - not antisemitic.
To inquire whether a product is of Jewish manufacture and then refuse to buy it if it is - or if it is Kosher marked - that’s antisemitic.

Boasting about having nuclear capacity - not a problem
Saying that the European capital cities can be destroyed by Israel’s WMDs - well, isn’t it a truth?
Saying that the Israeli cities can be destroyed by Iran’s WMDs - could be truth in the near future as well.
Saying that all the Israelis/Jews/Zionists should be killed… now that’s not ok anymore. (Of course you can put any group of people instead of those three, like Palestinians/Lebanese/Arabs/Iranians or whom ever.)
Israel does have all those nuclear weapons… and Damascus, Teheran, Rome etc. are still standing…
Of course Iran has the right to build as many nukes they want - it’s ludicrous of USA to try to deny others the rights they so vehemently demand to have themselves *spitting* If they don’t want Iran to have nukes, they see that they themselves don’t have nukes - or any of their allies, and Israel is included in that category… But the thing is that I am not at all sure of that Mahmoud wouldn’t use his weapons if he had them… and neither is anyone else. But - the world will survive anything. Even nuclear winter. So let’s give Mahmoud his toys.)

Getting bored with being constantly reminded of the holocaust - well… too bad. It’s our history and we will speak of it so that no-one may forget.
When I quoted Martin Niemoller to a certain person, he answered “oh, bury that old cliché already!” - people will be reminded with old clichés and “boring” things as long as they refuse to learn from them. Denying holocaust is denying genocide, and that’s considered by civilized people to be offensive. Besides - holocaust didn’t just object the Jewish people… It would be nice if all the Communists who are so eager to join the holocaust deniers lines would remember that they would have been lined to the trains, camps and mass graves just as the Jews…But I suppose they are so BOORRRREED with that “old stuff” that they don’t want to hear about it any more… >:->

Antisemitism, just as any other form of racism, intolerance, bigotry and hatred IS an “international mental illness” that has no boundaries and to which no-one is immune.

I find it interesting that the person who wrote the blog entry found the article about “international mental illness” ridiculous or something…
“In 1982, I was in Melbourne, Australia, walking with a rabbi/lawyer on a nice street in a Jewish neighborhood. We were waiting for the light to change, and a nice car stops with two well-dressed men in their 40s, and one of them screams out loudly, ‘Jews! Did you pay the bill for the gas you used in the chambers?!’ ” Now, THAT’s antisemitism… *brr**yuk*

LOL “the shitty little country”… He actually said much more than that… definitely antisemitic.
Just as the “poor, innocent” Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Some Farsi speakers have been very quick to tell people that what he ACTUALLY said IN ONE INSTANCE doesn’t translate to what other Farsi speakers have translated it to mean… as if that was the ONLY thing he has ever said LOL

“Zionist-controlled British government” Aiaiai! Bad boy! Saying that the British (or any government) is “Zionist-controlled” comes very close to being… how would I put this… prejudiced? Bigoted? Narrowminded?
But of course… one shouldn’t be condemned for their political opinions, unless they are friendly towards Israel, because then they belong to Zionist lobby and are controlled by Zionists and Israel… Palestine-minded MP’s are of course as it should be, because they are the GOOD people with a conscience, and they are FREE people, because everyone knows that only the Zionist JEWS try to control the whole world… Of course it’s totally fine and perfect and desirable to “apparently support the Palestinian cause”, but to “apparently support the Jewish cause”… OH MY GOD HOW HORRRRRRIBLE! That person must be either a Zionist spy or brainwashed Zionist puppet!
Such utter crap!

The growing antisemitic atmosphere at the campuses all over the world is a FACT. In Russia they lock the Jewish students into their rooms on Hitler’s birthday to keep them safe, in USA and Canada Jewish students are harassed, assaulted, bashed, called names, accused of things Israel has (or might have - or someone said they have - or someone might have insinuated in some way that they might have thought of doing…) THAT is antisemitism. It is NOT “criticism of Israel”.
Of course, students that belong to any other group should be free from harassment, assaults, bashing etc. Screening of any kind due to someone’s group affiliation is discrimination - if people are screened because they are homosexual, it’s homophobia; if people are screened because they are Muslims, it’s Islamophobia, if people are screened because they are Jewish, it’s antisemitism, etc. And it doesn’t matter WHO does the screening or bashing… the University or the students.
And, sure, the Islamophobic tendencies grow too in the world, but it doesn’t mean we should ignore any other forms of discrimination and intolerance… (Or thinking that “let’s harass the Jews in return, because people are harassing the Muslims” - THAT’s antisemitic.)

Holding a debate on whether or not Israel’s treatment of Palestinians merits condemnation is not antisemitic.

(BTW, “savethemales.ca” website? What a laugh! And you use that kind of crap as reference material to get your information from? ROTFLMAO!)

There’s a lot of antisemitic literature in Arabic countries. But, sure, when you don’t consider books like “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” antisemitic, of course you’d disagree >:->

About the neighborhood fight… The issue was not about the Quickley’s NOT being antisemitic, but the Aronsons breaking the law against “the Federal Wiretap Act”. But it seems that the Quickley’s WERE saying questionable things…(sarcastic, banal and tasteless remarks) but as Mel Gibson isn’t accountable for his opinion because he happened to be drunk while expressing them, the Quickley’s are not accountable for their words because they happened to be fighting with their neighbors at the time… and the French ambassador is not accountable for his opinion, because he expressed it in a private discussion. PLEASE! Come on! It’s when you think you can’t get caught when you say what you REALLY think. I’m sure the Quickleys ARE antisemites, but keep a lid on it, because it harms their income! It’s all fine to take Jewish money, as long as one doesn’t need to LIVE with those people.

“What one does not write about Israel in a book can also be considered anti-Semitic or worse.”
So you try to tell people that no author writes “between the lines”, no author insinuates things, and it’s enough is SOME part of the truth is mentioned, that’s counted as The Whole Truth anyway… Yeah… I’m familiar with that kind of logic >:-> weirdly enough it has always been either people who try to “prove” that there are NO antisemites in the world at all - like this guy - or Christian apologists… The sad thing is that people will believe that kind of argumentation… *sigh*

“Are you a Jew first and a cop second?” Ouch…
The idea that being Jewish is automatically being pro-Israel and Zionist is profiling people, and profiling people because they are Jewish is antisemitism. The sentiment of “Jewish disloyalty” is antisemitic.
Why is it so hard to understand this? More than HALF of the Jewish people of the world ARE NOT ISRAELIS.
Absurd? No, it’s not absurd, you idiot!

Extreme to say it is antisemitic to mark the Jewishness of someone? Well… it IS antisemitic, if someone’s Jewishness is thought to have a bearing in an issue. Unless it’s about Jewish issues… but I don’t think anyone would say “the new leader of the synagogue is Jewish, his parents were Jewish and he has Jewish friends”… But to say “Bush’s new councelor is Jewish, his parents were Jewish and has Jewish friends”… now… that’s totally unnecessary information, and one has to ask WHY this information is considered important enough to be noted?

“…church members who cross the line in their advocacy of the Palestinian cause, and fall into Jew-baiting.”
Exactly… THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ADVOCATING THE PALESTINIAN CAUSE AND JEW-BAITING. The former isn’t antisemitic, the latter is.
The person who wrote this blog doesn’t understand the difference. But what to expect of people who think that Jew is Israel is Zionist, and don’t see anything wrong in such conclusions >:->

It seems to be quite all right to post as bad cartoons as one can about holocaust from the Jewish point of view; the Jewish victims of Christians and Muslims through the ages; Israel etc. etc. but what happens when a tiny European country publishes a couple of cartoons about Muhammed… Why? Because there are 13.000.000 Jews in the world and 1.000.000.000 Muslims… Because there is one (1) Jewish state that can break the diplomatic and economical connections with your country, if you offend the Jews, but 49 countries to do the same, when you offend the Muslims… There are as many Muslims in USA as there are Jews, and the Muslim population is growing, while the Jewish population is diminishing… in UK there are 0,4% Jews - that’s 1 of every 250 people you meet - and 3% Muslims - that’s one in 33 people - almost 10 times as many Muslims as there are Jews - so sure it’s more dangerous to offend the Muslim society than the Jewish society…
Yeah… as Dr Jonathan Sacks said: “Anti-Semitism exists whenever two contradictory factors appear in combination: the belief that Jews are so powerful that they are responsible for the evils of the world, and the knowledge that they are so powerless that they can be attacked with impunity” >:->

[sarcasm]Of course “the Nation’s most prominent religious institution and two major players in the British media” have no part at all in forming people’s opinions. It’s absurd and ridiculous to even suggest such hogwash…[/sarcasm]
Geesh! And you think THIS is a “good” article? This blog writer claims to wake up people, and does it by pushing such idiotic ideas on people?

Of course there are people who call anyone antisemite who doesn’t fall to their liking, but there are more antisemites, who hide behind the “I’m anti-Zionist, not anti-semite, you f*cking ugly zionist nazi pig Jew!!!”

Jews are not a race… as there is only the human race and Jews are human as well - but the Jews are a nation, a people. Connected by history, tradition, in some extent religion (not all Jews are Jewish), and genetics. Being Jewish is an identity - just like being Palestinian >:-> Palestinians are too connected more by identity than genetics and religion, as you know. Besides, antisemites don’t give a damn if a Jew is a “Khazar” or “pure-bred Canaanite Jew”. Antisemites don’t give a damn about if a Jew is Jewish or not, if a Jew is Israeli or not, politically right or left or in the middle - and neither do most of the anti-Zionists.
Of course antisemites drag this up, because then they can say that they don’t hate “Jews”, because the people they hate just CLAIM to be Jews, when actually they are not, but some Turkish tribe. A rose by any name is still a rose, and a Jew by any ancestry is still a Jew. Ask any antisemite, if you don’t believe me >:->

It would also be nice if people understood that the word “antisemite” is a MISNOMER. (Look the word up if you don’t know what it means >:-&gt It has NOTHING to do with people speaking semitic languages. Arabs might be Semites, but it’s totally irrelevant to this issue, as antisemites hate Jews - Semites and non-Semites - not Arabs.
Of course antisemites love to drag this up, because they think it matters - it’s the favorite argumentation of Arabs “I can’t be antisemite, because I’m Semite!” Bull! A JEW can be antisemite. As said, NO-ONE is immune.

“t would be a mistake though, to equate all Jews with Israel as the two are not always synonymous.”
[sarcasm]Oh wow! What a revelation![/sarcasm]
In reality, what he means is that it’s ok to equate any Jew with Israel who is NOT against Israel… >:->

7 million of the 13 million Jews of the world are not in any way connected with Israel.
Some of them don’t even CARE about what happens in Israel. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ISRAELIS!!!
Some of them care about Israel because they have friends and relatives living in Israel.
Just like a lot of people cares about Palestine, because they have Palestinian friends.
For some reason, to an anti-Zionist, the latter is a quite acceptable and appropriate reason to be Pro-Palestinian, but the former is in no way even understandable reason to be Pro-Israeli…
JEWS AND ISRAEL ARE NOT SYNONYMOUS. Israel is a country, a political state - Jew is a person. Some Jews live in Israel, Israel is a Jewish state, but

JEWS AND ISRAEL ARE NOT SYNONYMOUS *E*V*E*R*

Equating Jews with Israel is like equating Christians with UK. After all 72% of Brits are Christians and they have the Christian symbol on their flag >:-> (No, it’s not my logic - it’s the anti-Zionist logic. I was told that ALL Jews live in Israel, because 76% of Israelis are Jewish, and Israel has the Star of David on her flag.)

But Judaism and Zionism are CONNECTED. Martin Luther King stated it so well...

Only idiots equate anti-Zionist Jews with self-hating Jews. If you do that - or think Zionists do that - then you haven’t understood the concept of “self-hating Jew”. Self-hating Jew is not necessarily antisemite either…

“Although not all Jews are Zionists, Zionists are predominantly Jewish.”
Yeah… and to the twisted anti-Zionist logic, it means that any Jew who hasn’t strongly announced their anti-Zionism, IS Zionist. >:->

Norman Finkelstein… He’s not “reviled”, “marginalised” or “smeared” because he’s anti-Zionist and Pro-Palestinian. It’s because he’s an idiot.

Eric Alterman doesn’t look like either self-hating Jew or anti-semite. But I don’t know much of him. Am I suppose to believe what Cathy Young has to say or take it as representative for ALL Jews? Or even MOST of the Jews? Or Zionists? Pro-Israelis? I don’t know enough of Cathy either to make up my mind of her and her credibility.

What about the other Jews on the crap list? Takes some time to go through those people, but… of what I have seen, I am bound to agree… And it’s not because they are anti-Zionists or Pro-Palestinian or criticise Israel or dare to speak of the atrocities Israel commits. It’s HOW they do it and WHY they do it…

“When the Jewish state is criticised for actions and policies that other states practice, Zionist logic decrees such criticism to be ‘unfair’.”
Nope. When the Jewish state ALONE is criticised and the other states that practice the same are NOT - then there is something fishy in it…
Sure, it might be because one has taken Israel as one’s favorite target, but I know people who will find thousands of excuses and explanations to other states for doing what Israel does - and worse - which also happens - AND when the person spouts antisemitic comments, quotes antisemitic sites and writers etc. etc. To me it’s quite obvious.
[sarcasm] Sure, they too have some excuses, don’t they? Perhaps they meant their words to only be heard by friends, or they said it in anger or perhaps they were high or drunk while saying it?[/sarcasm] Bull.

“Since anti-Zionism is the antithesis of Zionism, and since Zionism is an antithesis of anti-Semitism, it follows that an anti-Zionist must therefore be an anti-Semite”
What? *sigh* Ok, I’ll say this again. Anti-Zionist is not the same as antisemite, but an anti-Zionist CAN BE antisemite - and surprise, surprise, SOME OF THEM ARE.

“It is not anti-Semitic to criticize Zionism, the state of Israel, and Jews any more than it is anti-Celtic to criticize Scottish nationalism, Scotland, and Scots.”
If you criticise the Jews as a monolithic blog, or if you criticize Scots as one monolithic blog, it’s pretty probable you have some very strong prejudices of these people… If you criticize ONE Scot for something HE has done or ONE Jew for something HE has done - or Israeli army, Israel, Israeli government, Zionism, any Zionist etc. - these entities for what the entity has ITSELF done - then it’s not antisemitic. But if you “criticize” (read accuse) ALL Jews for what Israel does - (or all but those who have managed to “proven their innocence”) or what the Israeli army does - or all Israeli soldiers for what the army does - or Israel for what one individual Jew has done somewhere - then IT’S NOT LEGITIME JUSTIFIED CRITIQUE.
Which part of this is so damn hard for some so-called anti-Zionists to understand?

Also, it’s not ok to speak of the “Scottish greed” as a real quality shared by all Scots. That’s “ethnic profiling” and prejudiced. Just as bad as it would be to talk about the “Jewish greed” as a real characteristics of the Jewish people. “Of course they are rich, of course they control the banks and money, of course the Jewish lobby can make the government do what ever they want, they have money! The Jews are the richest people in the world and own so-and-so-much of the country’s economical assets…” That’s pure racism and when you are racist against Jews, it’s called antisemitism.

You get it? No shady, unclear definitions here, no.

When you are racist against Jews, it’s called antisemitism.

Death threats? Are those death threats? LOL So I have received death threats… *hmm* Interesting…
BTW. the guy is a racist, revisionist and full of crap. I wouldn’t take his word on that grass is green.

lso, why is “attempting at total censorship by forcing” a scheduled speech at a University a GREAT thing, but “attempting at total censorship by forcing” the owner of the leased hall to cancel its contract a HORRRRRIBLE thing? What’s the difference? The only difference is that the first one was done against a Jew and the second by a Jew… and guess what… judging the same thing as bad because it’s done by a JEWISH person and good because it’s done by a NON-JEWISH person is… yeah, you guessed it… >:->

And so the blog entry goes on and on and on… and people complain that *I* write long posts LOL

“At its birth in 1897 Zionism was a Jewish philosophy of doom. How so? Its founding fathers were driven by the belief that the Gentiles among whom most Jews lived in Europe and North America could never be trusted, and that it was only in a state of their own that Jews would be guaranteed security and freedom from persecution”
– Zionism - real enemy of the Jews

Well, they were right in that the gentiles cannot be trusted - as proven by Pogroms, Dreyfus case, Holocaust and the smaller antisemitic incidents of the time - but the fact is that the Jews are such a small group of “outsiders” that not even an own state would guarantee them security and freedom from persecution. Had you put the Jewish state in the middle of Gobi or South Pole, there would be people who think it’s HORRRRRIBLE and offensive and violating some gentile rights…

Yeah, of course antisemitism has been misdefined (mostly by idiots who refuse to acknowledge the fact that it’s a misnomer) but…
“antisemitism has been abused in its application“? What the heck are you trying to say here? People have hated wrong people? Or shown their hatred wrong?
Oh, you mean the WORD antisemitism has been abused in its applications… why don’t you say so?

About Ran Ha-Cohen’s “Abusing ‘Anti-Semitism’ “

“Jews may believe in God or not, eat pork or not, live in Israel or not, but they are all united by their unlimited belief in anti-semitism.”
So… have I understood this correctly now? There is no antisemitism, at least not that objects Jews? Because it sure sounds like that is what you, Jim, believe…
Are you saying that because some people try to avoid any criticism of their actions by calling the accuser names, means that EVERY ONE of the people who are subjected to antisemitism are wrong and have misunderstood somethign, and that hatred/intolerance/discrimination/abuse/harassment/persecution of Jews is quite alright as it really doesn’t exist?

When a Palestinian kills innocent Israeli civilians, it’s not antisemitism. Neither is it hatred of Palestinians when an Israeli kills innocent Palestinian civilians. I guess you disagree with me on that though
When Palestinians attack IDF soldiers (I’m sorry, Ran HaCohen, but the official name of the army is IDF, not IOF.) in their own village, it’s not antisemitism.
When the UN General Assembly votes 133 to 4 condemning Israel, it’s not antisemitism.
But the thing is that this is just incidents. To know whether it’s antisemitism or not, one needs to know WHY the Palestinian killed Israeli civilians. Why do the Palestinians attack the IDF soldiers? Why did the representators of 133 countries thought it was proper to condemn Israel?
Did he/she/they do it because the civilians, IDF and Israel were Jewish? If so, then it IS antisemitism.
To attack an man in the street, beat him into pulp and steal his money is not antisemitism, not even if the man is Jewish - UNLESS THE MAN WAS CHOSEN TO BE THE VICTIM BECAUSE HE WAS JEWISH.
Do you understand the situation?

And so it goes with everything else - reporting about incidents at check-points is not antisemitic.

But if one does it to prove how bad people the JEWS are, choosing language deliberately to make the situation look worse than it is, screening comments and using only those that confirm the “bad Jews” image and discarding those that don’t - now THAT’s antisemitic.

If the article is written to show how bad people the Israelis are, then the agenda is to demonize Israelis. It’s not being anti-Zionist, it’s being anti-Israeli and in a bad way.
For example, there was an incident where a woman gave birth to a child in a cab at a checkpoint and the child died - the doctor who was interviewed claimed that he arrived at the place in time, and they pleaded the soldiers at the checkpoint, but the soldiers didn’t allow them to pass…

He was lying. He didn’t arrive at the place, and when the husband of the woman finally took courage and told the soldiers at the checkpoint that his wife is pregnant and needs to get to hospital, the soldiers saw that the taxi got through the checkpoint A.S.A.P. Unfortunately it was too late and the child was born in taxi and died. Which version do you think was published? >:->
Do you think publishing the false version was “correct journalism”?
Apparently, as many Pro-Palestinians noted that version of the news, but not the correction >:->
Apparently, as the correction is ignored, and the mere effort to get the correction heard is considered being “Nazionist Israel-Apologist” LOL
Now, next question… do you think one takes Pro-Palestinians like that seriously? No.
Do you think ANY sensible, just and informed person will EVER take that journalist’s articles as truth? No.
So what are the people who take that kind of news as proper, correct, INVESTIGATING journalism REVEALING the truth of the situation?

Then think about this… WHY didn’t the husband dare to go to the Israeli soldiers and ask to be let through because his wife is in labor and needs help? Because Israelis are such a bastards he was afraid they’d kill him AND his wife - or more? Why would he think this?
Do you think the demonization of Israel has ANYTHING to do with his fears?
I know that if you tell me a horror story over and over again, and it’s based on facts, though some pertinent details have been left out and other, pertinent to the effect details have been decorated and inflated - I know I will believe the story - especially if I believe in you…
Palestinians have no reason to NOT to believe the P.A, the Arab nations and their broadcasting companies and other media or the Western Pro-Palestinian voices. These entities are supposed to be on their side - on the Palestinians side in this whole mess… And all these entities lie…
Sure, there’s a lot of truth in it too - Israel is not an innocent victim of antisemitism (in most cases anyway ;-)), Israel in reality very much violates the human rights and international legislations, UN’s decisions and human worth and value. This is something only the blindest apologists would vehemently deny, and the truth is such that any such denial should awaken laughter. To quote the 2nd Minister in the Ministry of Finance of Israel: “If the words have been said, one can not agree with them, since History speaks for itself”

Nevertheless, demonizing will damage the very people it is suppose to protect - haven’t you learned from the history how thousands of people have suffered because they believe the lies and rather cause themselves damage (even kill themselves) rather than ask for help from the “demon”?
To give an example of this connected to this issue - when the WWII was about to end, the Germans at the concentration camps told their prisoners that the Russians are coming, and THEY are SOOOO BAAAAD - THEY will do ALL KINDS of things to the prisoners, if they find them… now, OF COURSE you can stay here at the camp and meet the RUSSIANS, or you can leave with us and move to another camp SAFE from those pesky Russians… The majority of prisoners would rather move camp and stay with the devil they know, than stay and risk being… yeah… I can’t imagine what could possibly have been worse than what they had… And indeed, quite a many died in the new camp instead of having been “liberated” had they stayed…

In fact… YOU are also responsible of the deaths of Palestinian children… by spreading the hate propaganda, by joining the demonization and giving it credibility, by hooraying the Intifada and supporting Hamas who does not want to negotiate… sure, they SAY a lot of things, but they haven’t changed their charter yet…

“…the shape of anti-semitic conspiracy theories, like that of The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion: whereas the anti-semitic classic relates every calamity to Jewish conspiracy…”
Dave &Co… did you read this? Did you understand it? The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is an anti-semitic classic! Hello?!?! Does it tell you anything? Agreeing with the ideas, thoughts and accusation put forth in an antisemitic classic makes you an…. Get it? No, not anti-Zionist. *sigh*

“It is high time to say it out loud: in the entire course of Jewish history, since the Babylonian Exile in the 6th century BC, there has never been an era blessed with less anti-semitism than ours. There has never been a better time for Jews to live in than our own.”
Probably true. Doesn’t mean antisemitism doesn’t exist though.

“Up to just two generations ago, anti-semitism was a legitimate political and cultural attitude in most of the world’s leading powers. Anti-semitism was something you could express openly, even be proud of.”
And still is in most Arabic and Muslim countries.
“…the countries where anti-semitism is still thriving today – mostly poor Muslim countries – are virtually empty of Jews, so that the actual danger to Jews there is minimal”
The danger to “Jews there” is NOT minimal - we just don’t ever get to know about it, because there are so few Jews who could tell about it, besides, the anti-Zionists would run to the rescue of their beloved “not-anti-semite” countries and their citizens and claim that the Jews were lying - as Jews always do… and if you report of THESE kind of news, you will be labeled Nazionist Israel-apologist…
Besides, as these countries are the leading attitude creators of the so-called anti-Zionists, the antisemitism they spread cause ripples all over the world…
[sarcasm]But - as there are no antisemites and no antisemitism - except the Jewish hatred of Semites - none of the antisemitic incidents actually happened, or if they happened, they are grossly misunderstood, and actually it’s not antisemitism but anti-Zionism and THAT is a GOOD thing - because who cares if a couple of those pesky Jews get hurt in the process. They probably did something to deserve it. Or thought of doing it, and that’s as bad. When it comes to Jews.[/sarcasm]

“Even truly anti-semitic groups deny their anti-semitic character, knowing it is politically unacceptable.” LOL Not anymore…
Antisemitism is a GOOD thing

“representatives of Muslim communities in the West have to give up their anti-semitism as a precondition for entering the political system.”
LOL No, they don’t! They just say they are anti-zionists and everything is fine! After all, they CAN’T be antisemitic, as they are semites themselves!

“Nowadays a Jew can…” “anti-semitic” countries give Israel this and that and special status… Yeah… talk about bad conscience…

Israel pays member fees to Eurovision and is thus welcome to the Eurovision Song Contest. As would every other country who pays the member fees. If Lebanon decides to become a member of the Eurovision, then Lebanon will be welcomed as well.

About Berlusconi… he actually apologized the statement. And as far as I know that was the only thing that could be interpreted as antisemitism Berlusconi has ever said or done. Considering Italy’s actions during the WWII, when about 7000 Jews were deported to Germany, but 40.000 survived, one could think the statement was more offending to the Communists, Socialists and other ethnic minorities than Jews, who were the main target of Mussolini… but - never mind. The Italian Jews were offended.
Sure, he’s an idiot, but idiot isn’t synonymous to antisemite either So - hypocritical? Why?

I have already spoken about concentrating on Israel’s atrocities while ignoring all the other atrocities. Not anti-semitic, but hypocritical, unless one has chosen the Israel situation as one’s issue. If one claims to be human rights champion and bashes only Israel, (and only bashes Israel) it doesn’t look very sincere to me.

“how many of those arm-chair pro-Israel Tibet specialists ever bothered to actually do something to free Tibet, except for exploiting its suffering to distract from Israel’s atrocities.”
Oh, so now I’m an “arm-chair pro-Israel Tibet specialist”, am I?

First, being impartial is not being “pro-Israeli”. In some parts of the world the media IS Pro-Palestinian-Anti-Israeli. Blatantly unfair, passing more propaganda than actual news, posting people’s opinions as “news” etc.
Are you even aware of that a peaceful demonstration to ask the Swedish media to show a LITTLE more balance and care a LITTLE more about truth when it comes to Israel-Palestine issue, was disturbed by people with antisemitic (YES, ANTISEMITIC, NOT ANTIZIONIST!) signs, namecalling, throwing of stones (but that’s not violent, is it? The Palestinians do it all the time, and it shouldn’t even be mentioned, because you can’t harm anyone with a couple of stones… Right? >:-&gt

Second - as far as I know YOU are working on your behind. So quit the “arm-chair” analogy. You’re just throwing stones in a glass house… (but who cares about stone-throwers now…)

Thirdly - *I* care about Tibet, Chechen, Sudan, Rwanda, China, Korea and every other country in the world, and I do what I can for the human rights in the world - for ALL HUMANS’ RIGHTS. Just because I’m not blindly accusing Israel for everything that goes wrong in Middle-East, just because I expect the Palestinians to take responsibility for THEIR OWN ACTIONS, just because I think that Israelis are not rotten through and pestilence and what ever these “anti-Zionist Pro-Palestinians” think, doesn’t mean I am “Pro-Israeli-Anti-Palestinian”.
But just because you think I am, just because you are ready to judge people by they not agreeing with you 100%, your opinion just became worth nothing in my book.

I’m sure there are people who would use any argumentation and any means to defend what they deem valuable against anything that can be seen as negative - LIKE A LOT OF PRO-PALESTINIANS - but it doesn’t mean EVERYONE who uses ANY argumentation to defend something they deem valuable against UNJUST ACCUSATIONS is “just like them”, and automatically a bad person and wrong.

Just because the Palestinians are the victim and the weaker part here, doesn’t mean they are INNOCENT.

“People abusing this taboo in order to support Israel’s racist and genocidal policy towards the Palestinians do nothing less than desecrate the memory of those Jewish victims, whose death, from a humanistic perspective, is meaningful only inasmuch as it serves as an eternal warning to the human kind against all kinds of discrimination, racism, and genocide.”
Amen. On this I agree 100%.
One just has to remember that antisemitism isn’t dead yet. There ARE antisemites out there and some of them ARE pro-Palestinian anti-Zionists AS WELL.

Calling an antisemite antisemite is not abusing the taboo. Dismissing legitimate criticism as “flashing the antisemite card” is just as desecrating to the victims - ALL the victims - of discrimination due to hate and prejudices.

“portraying the victimisers as victims…”
Sometimes the victimiser can be a victim. Sometimes the victim can be a victimiser. That truth shouldn’t be silenced either.

Caring about human rights is caring about ALL the human rights of ALL the humans - victims as well as victimisers. Crooks - even as bad as Milosevic, Hussein or Sharon - has to get a decent lawyer to advocate their cause, otherwise we have become just as bad as they are. No-one is to be considered quilty unless proven so, no-one is to be punished for crimes someone else does. We are not talking for the victims’ cause if we lie, twist the truth, mispresent it, exaggerate it, leave out mitigating circumstances…

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I have about half of the DAMN LONG list of links illustrated to go through… so I’ll continue a little later. It’s almost 2 AM here, and I have things to do tomorrow… I’m going to be SOOO tired

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This person is taking individuals and single isolated incidents and uses them to make a case against anyone who dares to openly recognize antisemitism as what it is… Just take a look of his sources: it varies from extreme left to extreme right; from fundamentalist Jewish sites to fundamentalist Christian sites to fundamentalist Atheist sites - from Jewish papers to Palestinian papers, from Pro-Jewish sites to antisemitic sites - this guy will use ANYTHING if he can make it fit his purpose… no discernment…
And you swallow every word like it was manna from heaven… Let me guess… you never followed the links and never double-checked the information given? LOL
Typical >:->
Do you feel more awake now, or are you aware that you have been cradled into another dream?

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*1989 The Vatican issues its first statement on Anti-Zionism. It calls anti-semitism “the most tragic form that racist ideology has assumed in our country.” After distinguisheing anit-semitism from Anti-Zionism, it comments that Anti-Zionism “serves at times as a screen for anti-Semitism, feeding on it and leading to it.”

Anonymice

It seems we have a fan club in New Jersey I don’t know how many members this fan club has, but the person(s) has seen the trouble to create several e-mail accounts just to be able to “comment” on our blog. She doesn’t say anything worth hearing, seems to only be reacting on what she reads in the blog and seems to think she and her friends and every person mentioned in the blog is our “innocent victim”…  I never stop being amazed by people’s sheer stupidity!

What is the name of this blog? “In Reply”.
What does “in reply” mean? “Reply” means answer, response, return, resound, comeback, echo, feedback, reaction…
IT MEANS THAT SOMETHING HAS BEEN SAID, SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED TO WHICH WHAT IS WRITTEN HERE IS A *R*E*P*L*Y*
It means that the situations, words, insults and idiocies we are responding here are not our “karma” - it means that THIS is YOUR karma. YOU are getting what you have been giving, and if you don’t like it - too bad… YOU should think that you might need to change YOUR actions, way of communicating with other people etc. etc.

But no… the stupidity of these peopel defy all logic and sense… *rolling eyes*

This fan club is obviously so scared of us that “they” don’t dare to come forth with “their” own names - or the screen names “they” are known by people in Care2… WE are here as ourselves, totally open and honest, taking full responsibility of every word, syllable, sentence and typo - showing our faces - perhaps we are not the prettiest pair in the world, but they are our faces. WE are not hiding behind anonymity or Liv Tyler’s face or a pretty fantasy art. I’m sure our opponents don’t understand the value of this >:-> But just keep on inventing more or less phony email addies and identities… It’s just telling us that you are a coward. Spineless pitiful puny coward…

It doesn’t help that you try to say we talk too much, or we make grammar errors or typos, or that it isn’t worth talking with us, or what ever you try to pull to save the little you have left of your face… but, dear… you don’t HAVE a face. You don’t have a name nor a face, as you chose to cower!
We know - WE ALL know that you’re just trying to mislead people. It’s only idiots like you who buy your smoke and mirrors.

You know… it doesn’t even save you from being talked here >:-> YOU will know it’s you we are referring to. It doesn’t much matter if other people out there don’t know whom we are talking about, this is IN REPLY - and YOU will know we are talking about YOU… YOU will know that we think you are stupid, whiny, cowardly, illogical little maggot. And deep down there’s a little voice telling you, that we are right… That’s why you hate and fear us so much. We know it too, dear.

And guess what - as we don’t give a damn whether anyone reads this blog or not, you can’t even win by trying to freeze us by ignoring our little blog LOL
(Besides, whom are you trying to kid here? Everyone knows you can’t keep out from this blog >:-&gt

The searches gets sillier and sillier

search: bondage ants..
search: libanon gay bears gay…
search: arab bears gay
search: leviticus silly
search: silly history facts
search: porn cruel israel
search: silly math problem

The most puzzling of those search terms is the combination in the first… “bondage ants”. Ants that are into bondage - why on earth would one do a search on that, unless of course the searcher is looking for some rather kinky animal pornography…and have a special fetish for ants…

Perhaps it was made by the same person who made a search on “ass-humping dog” and ended up being pissed at me in another Blog of mine, because he didn’t find what he was searching for? He then went on to rag about my presumed hatred for the US and it’s imperialistic use of the term “Americans” as a designation for US citizens only…

The second most puzzling search term combination is “porn cruel israel” - unless you are of the belief that Israelis somehow use pornography as a means to violate Palestinian human rights, it is really hard to imagine just how someone came up with that idea, but then I guess the Radical Far Left will believe anything their mentally deprived brains can concoct.

There is of course always the possibility that the search was made by a bunch of Palestinians looking for an Israeli Dominatrix…just too bad the IDF uniform is not the least sexy…a Nazi Uniform just doesn’t work on brunettes…

What’s next?

Oh, yes, the Gay Arab Bears…what were they thinking? Bears humping each other in Arab garb? Bears humping Arabs? Gay Arabs humping Bears? Some how those images doesn’t work as well as the Dragon Fighting Bear

What’s with this obsession with sexually loaded search terms to find my Blog? Are people afraid to put the terms “Silly Old Bear’s Grins and Grumps” together in one line?

Do people really believe I spend a large chunk of my time writing about sexually loaded matters involving Arabs, Israelis, Lebanese and Bears? Apparently.

But then, we all know that those search terms are silly little codes for “Silly Old Bear’s Grins and Grumps Blog”, a web place you (and you all know who you are :-p) really don’t want to admit that you are looking for, not even to yourselves.

If I wanted to include Lebanon (not Libanon) in my Blog, I wouldn’t be writing about Lebanese Gay Bears, Gay Rights in Lebanon perhaps, but not Gay Bears. Gay Bears are just fine where ever they are, whatever ethnicity their Bear Passports sport.

Keep them silly searches coming - you are cracking me up

I still don’t get what’s with the enslaved ants though…

Good Marriages, and Bad…

I saw a woman in Dr. Phil - about elder women and younger men. She used to have a toy boy (yes, she called him that!) until she was in hospital for operation and he didn’t show up… He was “lovely” as long as he looked good and entertained her in bed, but not anymore when she needed a human being instead of a “living doll”… >:-> Instead of looking at herself and realizing that SHE had objectified the guy, she expected that her girlfriend (who had a “boyfriend” 14 years younger) saw her “toy boy” the same way she did. To me it was pretty clear that the girlfriend didn’t have a toy but a spouse, a partner, a friend - a human being.

I thought of my brother who is born 1961 and has a wife born 1975. Her best friend dated his best friend at the same time, but the friend was way too “young” to the relationship… My brother and my sister-in-law are doing fine; they have been married for over 10 years and still love each other dearly and can really count on each other through thick and thin.
It’s not about the age and years between, it’s about the relationship, the way people see each other.

I love my wife - I have for 12 years now and I expect to do so for the rest of my life - despite ups and downs, hard times and easy times we have the best marriage I have ever seen, perhaps with the exception of my mother and father-in-law.

But there are miserable creatures out there, who for some reason just loves to hate their spouse/SO, to a degree that they’d rather stay in a Bad Relationship and attack those of us who are actually in Good Relationships. I guess it’s jealousy or envy.

Toxic people, people with small lives and small minds and sick experiences they have no tools to deal with. Those people end up in bad relationships - the rest of us actually live happily ever after, despite ups and downs and attacks from others on our happinesses.

So Whiney, Rocket Scientist and Catgal go to hell, whatever our personal flaws might be, we live openly, happily and actually very functional lives.

Chauvinist Feminists and Religious Fundamentalist Atheists

That might sound contradictory… because everyone thinks only men can be chauvinists, and being a feminist is the exact opposite of chauvinist - just like only theists can be religious and being an atheist is the exact opposite of being religious… But “everyone” is wrong…

A chauvinist thinks the group he/she is part of is the best group of people and anyone who belongs to another group is inferior in every possible way. I know feminists who think they are better people than men simply because they are women. They believe that men have no purpose other than obstruct women and destroy what the women try to achieve. A man has nothing worth hearing to say. These women think men should be either killed or castrated in birth and women who “love” men are brainwashed fools who have lost their share of the Queendom Come… These women seem to think that instead of the archaic hierarchy “white men, white women, colored men, colored women, animals”, the REAL hierarchy is “free women, married women, men”… animals placed somewhere around married women > These women are sow chauvinists, and they give feminism a bad name.

Most feminists we - my husband and I - have encountered are not as bad as this… nevertheless, they believe a woman is always more worth than a man, and a woman’s word is more worth than a man’s word. They believe men - patriarchy - is responsible for everything that is wrong in this world, and it’s every woman’s right to demand and take compensation from ANY man they meet, never mind if the man is a poor and kind being, who has never in his life done anything wrong to any woman… and because of this, it’s “ok” to accuse an innocent man of rape, sexual harassment, threats, domination, insults and all kinds of possible things - and women are supposed to be believed too!

In an abortion discussions my opponent told me men can’t have any saying of whether they want to be fathers or not - to themselves decide over their own emotional and economical life - because women generally have smaller wages than men; because women more often stay at home when they become mothers. This has absolutely nothing do with abortion! But to her it’s obvious to deny half the humankind the right to decide over their own lives, because women have been forced to give birth to children through the history… and if you tell her this, you too will be stamped as male chauvinist pig and woman-hater… even if you are a woman. Your gender will be questioned if you point this out LOL

A woman entered a men’s group my husband was hosting and got deeply offended because in the “doorway” was a “sign” “women are welcome as long as they leave the war between sexes outside the door and behave”… She went on whining and complaining, telling everyone how HORRRRRIBLE my husband was to poor little innocent her… and managed to seduce and mislead quite a lot of people to believe her - of course, she is a WOMAN! Every time a man and a woman fight, the woman is correct - unless the majority of women agree with the man

BTW, isn’t this woman a wonderful example of a strong, courageous woman? Whining and lying, spreading lies and slander, using power of weak to get her way… just like the other “strong and courageous woman” who accused SB of being a snake and a collaborator >:->
No wonder people have such a bad image of feminists! LOL

Well… she got her way - the group doesn’t exist anymore >:-> The prejudices and the lies do… I wonder if she ever looks back to what she did and realizes WHAT it was she REALLY did… She contributed in shutting down a group where men and women could get together to discuss EVERYTHING between the sky and earth, where everyone was heard… instead of taking the opportunity to get heard, to create discussion about the issues, to make changes in the micro-society, she took the opportunity to whine and slander, to be a victim… How the heck is anything going to change in that way? At least into anything BETTER?

The same idiot Whiney shared an example of how horrible men are, only after to abuse women… her boyfriend has borrowed her car without asking her and crashed the car, so that she didn’t have a car on Monday when she would have needed it to go to work… SO horrible men are!!! She’s still with the idiot asshole, and believes to be something admirable, because she “loves him”. LOL

MY MAN would NEVER have borrowed anything of mine without asking and getting my permission, because HE IS A MENSCH. Had he done that, he wouldn’t be my man… I think my friends are extraordinary people, not because they are my friends - but they are my friends because I think they are extraordinary

Instead of letting that asshole fuck her over and over again and create problems in her life which she would live so much better without, she should kick the bastard out and get herself a REAL Man. A Man who appreciates and respects her, a Man with good values and ethics and decency… She thinks she is a “good” feminist, while she lets this idiot spoil her idea of what a man is… While she lets this idiot treat her like garbage and surrogate mother, pay his bills and be there when he needs her - but I doubt that he will be there when she needs him. I doubt she’d even ask him to. I’m pretty sure she will call to her girl friends, who has been there for her, and just cement her bad idea of men and her sow chauvinism…

And as her boyfriend is a bad apple, she expects all the “apples” to be bad - and all the women to have the same kind of relationship she does…
I saw a woman in Dr. Phil - about elder women and younger men. She used to have a toyboy (yes, she called him that!) until she was in hospital for operation and he didn’t show up… He was “lovely” as long as he looked good and entertained her in bed, but not anymore when she needed a human being instead of a “living doll”… >:-> Instead of looking at herself and realizing that SHE had objectified the guy, she expected that her girlfriend (who had a “boyfriend” 14 years younger) saw her “toyboy” the same way she did. To me it was pretty clear that the girlfriend didn’t have a toy but a spouse, a partner, a friend - a human being.

I thought of my brother who is born 1961 and has a wife born 1975. Her best friend dated his best friend at the same time, but the friend was way too “young” to the relationship… My brother and my sister-in-law are doing fine; they have been married for over 10 years and still love each other dearly and can really count on each other through thick and thin.
It’s not about the age and years between, it’s about the relationship, the way people see each other.

These sow chauvinists don’t see men as people. What they would be able to accept and understand if it was a woman saying and doing, they won’t accept or even try to understand when it’s a man doing it - because it’s a MAN doing it…

The same with people who have taken an ideology - usually political - and formed it into a religion… I was thinking of a “famous” anti-creationist, who believes theism is the base of all bad.

Religion is defined:
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
5. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

GOD is not even mentioned! If an atheist makes the belief of no God into his dogma, beliefs the cause, nature and purpose of the Universe to be purely scientific co-incidence, thinks it’s ethical to not to “belong to any church” - to devotedly follow the atheism or what ever political ism one confesses to - one has made it to one’s religion… and it doesn’t matter whether your “God” is called Allah, Marx or Science, you can still be religiously fundamentalist… and THAT is the cause of troubles in this world… intolerance. All the talk about infidels and one’s religious chauvinism “being an atheist is better than being a Xian, Jew or any other “religious fool”… LOL Poor idiot… doesn’t realize that HE is the “religious fool” here…